What is your definition of true love? Does it mean that you reward those who love you and punish, beyond all imagination, those who do not love you? What about selfless love? What about unconditional love? Could you really respect someone with this point of view?
If you do believe in this concept please explain it to me because it makes no sense from where I sit.
Love me and I'll take care of you, Don't love me and I will punish you!?
That is in direct violation of the "Golden Rule"...do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Would you want someone to punish you for not loving them? What if you were loving someone else and they loved you too? It is possible to love someone that is in love with another~and then how would it be possible to punish them for that? Selfless love is the love that you have when you give without expecting any thing back...not hard to do. Unconditional love is the love that you have for your own child...you love them no matter what.
Reply:"Love me and I'll take care of you, Don't love me and I will punish you!"
sounds so familiar, hmmm where have i heard that saying before, oh i remember now, yeah, it was the terms my sugar daddy laid out before he ah.."took care of me". lol.
Reply:It isn't how I view love. Firstly, I don't want you to take care of me. Secondly, I don't want you punishing anyone because your ego was hurt. If you love me, share things with me, be my companion and we'll weather the good things and the bad, and hopefully you will be happy being with me. (As I will be happy with you.) Together, we can appreciate and care for the world.
That, to me, is love.
Reply:So God is co-dependent with borderline personality disorder.
Guess we really were created in His image.
Reply:Do you think a parent doesn't love their child just because they punish them when they are disobedient / rebellious? (I know - you don't see that being done much these days, but that's another issue.) Why would ANY parent reward their child for being disobedient?
It is BECAUSE God loves us that He punishes us when we rebel. His love IS unconditional; but His PROMISES are conditional based on obedience to His word. I just don't get why that's so hard for people to understand.
The definition of true love is found in 1 Corinthians 13 - the entire chapter. Love is a CHOICE, not a feeling. It is a DECISION to treat others with respect, mercy, and forgiveness, whether you feel like it or not and whether or not you think they deserve it.
Reply:I'm still young and i will probably respect someone with this point of view sooner or later but for now i think ill stick with the punish you if you don't love me thing
Reply:yes, true, perfect, selfish, vindictive, godly love is the only true love (just ask my wife)
Reply:Then change seats. God bless you.
Reply:...seems fair enough...
Reply:excuse me but it says, "those whom the Lord loves he punishes"
the child that has no father to discipline them is the same as an unwanted illegitimate child.
so if you dont love God ... whatever happens is not because God is punishing you... because you arent his kid.
like the prodigal son who left his fathers home. i give this example.
in days of old there were towns protected by rulers...
and in time of attack all the towns people would run into the area of protection - the castle grounds that had walls and moats, with an army using weapons to fight against the attack.
but for those far out on the outskirts of the town and too far away... they'd be at the "mercy" (no mercy) of the attackers.
so to the one who is not a towns dweller living in the shadow of the ruler, is much like the person who does not accept God's love in Christ Jesus.
things happen to you, but its not God's fault that you choose to live too far away.
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the unconditional love you speak of is true but you seem to use it in an odd way.
apparently to you unconditional love means that God should love you to the degree of letting you live exactly as you please... hate him as much as you want... and when you die to provide you with a wonderful afterlife.
you can believe that if you like... go for it. find a system of moral enlightenment that allows for that.
but have you heard of such a saying as "one reaps what they sow"?
God unconditionally loves all ... whatever someone chooses to do then they have decided their own destination. and God will respect their choice.
whatever the rewards or consequences may be.
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Reply:Being punished for not loving seems very wrong...
Reply:It means obey God's commandments.
If you love your father,you will obey himand you will be awarded in someway
If you hate your father and go againts what he says, he shall discipline you.
Reply:sounds good to me..sounds fair..
Reply:I am truly sorry that you cannot submit your mind to truth. God bless you.
Reply:Gods love is selfless.
Trouble is, God is God and we are not. Being God, He gets to make the rules about what is good and fair, we don't.
As He's tried many times in scripture to explain, we're loved simply because of our existence. He's gone to extreme lengths to reveal Himself to us and to make us able to be comfortable in our environment and even to succeed at that beyond our imaginations.
What if someone you knew wrote a love letter to you. Would you read it? Bet you would.
The Bible is Gods love letter to us. It's a singularity in all of literature. Read it and learn of Him. See if you don't come up with a different point of view.
I recommend you start in the New Testament with the book of John and learn of Jesus. You'll find, then, when you read the Bible beginning at Genesis there will be words and passages that bring you back to John. Don't be surprised if many questions still exist in your mind. There is more knowledge in the Bible than I've been able learn in a lifetime.
Hope I've been helpful.
Reply:Well no. It's like, be my friend and you'll be invited to my party but if you arent my friend, just dont come. Its not quite punishing you when you dont cut the party list.
I assume you are talking about Christianity too...umm.... I guess one would say you had the chance while alive?
Idk - im not christian but im just thinking what they might say.
Reply:Sounds like an abusive relationship to me.
Reply:Yea!
Reply:It's not all just about love. It's about Justice and Wrath as much as Mercy and Grace. God, like so many humans, loves, but can only do what we allow Him to do. The price for sin MUST be paid. God paid it, but the price was so high that He put the condition on participation in it that you have to believe that Jesus is God come to earth as a man to die and pay that price.
How many people whom you do not love do you take care of? Do you reward those whom you do not know and do not love? Do you love selflessly? Do you love unconditionally? Consider carefully before you answer these questions. You're in a room where your wife and children are being brutally massacred. After the slaughter, the killer looks at you and says "Forgive me." What are you truly likely to do? God forgave us, "God shows His love toward us in this: that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us," and will forgive whenever we ask Him to, unconditionally. But if we don't ask for that forgiveness, why SHOULD He give it to us?
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